PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby Russell Peters » November 30th, 2017, 6:10 pm

Here is a picture of my commute home when I am done at the end of the day!
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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby JDWood » December 1st, 2017, 3:32 am

Love that oak tree!

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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby Coolwon » December 1st, 2017, 8:47 pm

Hi Russ,
How thick is the insulation?
How thick is the slab?
Could you have saved two elbows and used a 45 on the 2nd bottom drain?

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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby Russell Peters » December 2nd, 2017, 5:42 am

Coolwon wrote:Hi Russ,
How thick is the insulation?
How thick is the slab?
Could you have saved two elbows and used a 45 on the 2nd bottom drain?

Garfield


The insulation under the pour, what I put down over the existing slab, is not insulation. It is more of a thermal membrane that redirects the heat back up toward the water. The slab under the pond is about 6" and the bottom of the pond will be 9". There is no need for any 45's as it would not save anything as far as friction loss and flow. This system is gravity flow and there are two four inch pipes being used and the flow rate will only be about 5,000 gph.
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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby Coolwon » December 2nd, 2017, 9:01 am

Hi Russ,
If I recall the pipes are +-110 mm OD.
Would it not be beneficial to lay 110 mm polystyrene down around the pipes and pour the concrete on top of the styrene to
allow the concrete to act as a heat sink.
What would the under the floor slab be in winter?
Just looking at the cost and effectiveness of a styrene underlay.

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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby Coolwon » December 2nd, 2017, 9:09 am

Sorry, I left out the temperature of the soil under the building slab in winter.?

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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby Russell Peters » December 2nd, 2017, 9:15 am

Coolwon wrote:Hi Russ,
If I recall the pipes are +-110 mm OD.
Would it not be beneficial to lay 110 mm polystyrene down around the pipes and pour the concrete on top of the styrene to
allow the concrete to act as a heat sink.
What would the under the floor slab be in winter?
Just looking at the cost and effectiveness of a styrene underlay.

Garfield


I don't know what a 'heat sink' is but I do know that the layer I put down acts as a break from the concrete below. It will reflect temperatures up, that are above it, and it will reflect temperatures down, that are below it. What I put down is more effective than styrene IMO. The slab under the ponds shouldn't have much effect on the water temperature as we are keeping the surround air temperature 65-70 and, since all of the concrete for the ponds is above the floor, that ambient temps will do a really good job keeping the water warmer without a heater in the pond. I am also going to put PEX tubing in the floor of the ponds that will be hooked up to a gas heater for additional heat as needed.
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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby Russell Peters » December 2nd, 2017, 9:17 am

Coolwon wrote:Sorry, I left out the temperature of the soil under the building slab in winter.?

Garfield



I have no clue as to the temperature of the soil under the building in winter. We do freeze here but the building will be constantly heated so I am thinking it will keep the soil warmer. Not really sure though.
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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby Russell Peters » December 4th, 2017, 3:38 pm

I got back to work on the greenhouse today. The Generac back up generator was delivered today. It won't be hooked up until the end of the month.
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Re: PSKoi - Build in Thorntown Indiana

Postby Russell Peters » December 4th, 2017, 3:40 pm

With the exception of a couple of pieces of rebar the first tank is done.
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