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sick tosai

Postby kevin32 » April 17th, 2017, 4:58 pm

i have 2 tosai with ulcers both on the left side and in the same spot. I did Elbagin but forgot I need to heat the pond back up again. the sanke jerks his head back and forth and was kinda doing barrel rolls not flashing. ammonia and nitrites are 0 . these are in a 300 gallonand a bit overcrowded.

I've been thinking about getting a 1700 gallon intex pool until I get the 2 new ponds done. the 300 is finally getting a nice layer of algae so I was kinda hesitant to get the intex pool. any advice would be great.

my other pond with tosai is 350 gallon and only has a matala biosteps filter and I can't for the life of me get the nitrite to 0 despite daily water changes. I have a 4200 sequence pump and was thinking about running it on the intex and using the matala filters to flow into the diy showers I'm going to make. I have the holes drilled for the showers just need to get more media for them. I'm using home depot totes and will protect from the sun....

also maybe I should scrape and scope them. I need to order the cover slides. have the glass slides just need the cover slide
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Re: sick tosai

Postby kevin32 » April 17th, 2017, 5:01 pm

I will try to get pics. little guys are fast
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Re: sick tosai

Postby Marilyn » April 17th, 2017, 5:11 pm

No need for pics. Ulcers are often a byproduct of a parasite breaking through the slime coat.

Yes, s/s. Also check the gills. If the gills look okay then I suspect flukes but definitely confirm with a s/s. Elbagin is a very mild product and does nothing for parasites. Also, as you mentioned, it isn't nearly as effective unless you do the other things like salt to .3 and heating to over 72 degrees. If there is a big difference between your water temp and 72, raise the temp incrementally.
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Re: sick tosai

Postby Russell Peters » April 17th, 2017, 5:16 pm

Flukes tend to be the number one reason for ulcers, other than bacterial issues, so I would scrape them and probably treat all of your fish.
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Re: sick tosai

Postby kevin32 » April 17th, 2017, 5:18 pm

Russell Peters wrote:Flukes tend to be the number one reason for ulcers, other than bacterial issues, so I would scrape them and probably treat all of your fish.


thanks russ. are you home now?
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Re: sick tosai

Postby kevin32 » April 17th, 2017, 5:21 pm

and if I find flukes what is the treatment for tosai? I did expose this fish to some nitrite spikes. I've never had tosai and might be a bit in over my head. seems I learn the hard way or aka wrong way.
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Re: sick tosai

Postby Russell Peters » April 17th, 2017, 5:24 pm

kevin32 wrote:
Russell Peters wrote:Flukes tend to be the number one reason for ulcers, other than bacterial issues, so I would scrape them and probably treat all of your fish.


thanks russ. are you home now?


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Re: sick tosai

Postby Russell Peters » April 17th, 2017, 5:25 pm

kevin32 wrote:and if I find flukes what is the treatment for tosai? I did expose this fish to some nitrite spikes. I've never had tosai and might be a bit in over my head. seems I learn the hard way or aka wrong way.


Flukes would be Prazi or Fenbendazole. We have Fenbendazole as it works better than Prazi. Nitrites can cause issues with Koi like this too. S&S and see what you have.
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Re: sick tosai

Postby kevin32 » April 17th, 2017, 5:28 pm

Russell Peters wrote:
kevin32 wrote:and if I find flukes what is the treatment for tosai? I did expose this fish to some nitrite spikes. I've never had tosai and might be a bit in over my head. seems I learn the hard way or aka wrong way.


Flukes would be Prazi or Fenbendazole. We have Fenbendazole as it works better than Prazi. Nitrites can cause issues with Koi like this too. S&S and see what you have.


thanks i have never s/s before. so I might have a friend give me a hand. I'm good at construction work but an idiot when it comes to things like scraping and scoping
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Re: sick tosai

Postby Graybird » April 17th, 2017, 6:05 pm

It's a skill that is MUCH better learned through a friend than from a book. What is your temp in the tank with nitrite? I had a bear of a time trying to break through the nitrite spike until I was advised to raise the temp. 72 or above will do the trick. You are salting for it, yes?


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